The Rules of Investing
The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s longest-running business podcasts, providing investors with unparalleled access to the ideas and insights of Australia’s leading fund managers, economists and industry experts. Learn how the industry’s best invest, with the help of Livewire’s James Marlay and Chris Conway. Whether you’re new to investing or a seasoned professional, this podcast is for you. New episodes are released every second Friday, available on Livewire Markets, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.
Episodes

Friday Feb 11, 2022
The real reason Aussie housing is expensive
Friday Feb 11, 2022
Friday Feb 11, 2022
Guest: Chris Bedingfield, Quay Global Investors.
Australian housing is expensive. Hardly a shocking statement. But if you ask a bunch of investors and economists why it’s expensive, you’re bound to get a wide range of answers. Most of them will refer to credit availability in some way. A few might mention a lack of supply and demographics, and almost all of them will discuss interest rates.
But according to Chris Bedingfield, Principal and Portfolio Manager at Quay Global Investors, there’s a simple and absolutely critical reason that almost everyone overlooks. Indeed, in more than a decade of closely following markets, I’ve never heard this view put forward.
It all boils down to the replacement cost – or the cost of building a new home. Sure, there’s a premium for being closer to the city or the beach, and various other niceties that come with expensive inner suburb houses. But it’s the cost of building new property in Bankstown or Craigieburn that ultimately drives prices in the rest of the city in the long term.
As The Rules of Investing podcast returns after a break, Chris explains why it’s so expensive to build new housing in Australia, shares some of the best opportunities in real estate today, and he tell us why he thinks many people are overestimating the impact of working from home.

Wednesday Jan 19, 2022
One sector with 50 years of growth ahead
Wednesday Jan 19, 2022
Wednesday Jan 19, 2022
Guest: Owen Hegarty OAM, Executive Chairman, EMR Capital.
There have been few times in history that one could look at an industry or sector and confidently expect decades of growth ahead. But this is the situation that the resources industry, in particular, those exposed to decarbonisation, finds itself in today.
Governments around the world have committed to emissions reductions targets that start from 2030, going all the way out to 2070. And there is a range of metals that will be required in great quantities if we're to have any chance of meeting those targets.
Owen Hegarty OAM, Executive Chairman of EMR Capital and founder of the 'Mighty Ox' (Oxiana Resources), is acutely aware of this. From the obvious beneficiaries, through to the counter-intuitive, he's built a portfolio of companies that are set to ride this wave of growing demand.
In this special episode of The Rules of Investing to celebrate 1,000,000 downloads, I speak to Owen about his experience building the Mighty Ox, why potash is critical for feeding a growing population, and he identifies one recently listed ASX copper miner that's set to benefit as the world goes green.

Friday Nov 19, 2021
Quality and growth: How Ben Clark consistently finds winners
Friday Nov 19, 2021
Friday Nov 19, 2021
Consistency is key to successful investing. Just ask someone who invests in speculative mineral explorers – they’ll likely be able to tell you about their big winners but might be less keen to discuss their strike rate. But even getting 60 or 70 percent of your picks right is enough to produce outstanding performance.
That’s one of the reasons Ben Clark from TMS Capital has done well, both on Livewire and in the High Conviction Fund that he runs. Regular Livewire viewers will recongise Ben as a regular guest on Buy Hold Sell and our annual Outlook Series. Not only did he win Livewire’s ‘Don Bradman award’ for the most consistent stock picker on Buy Hold Sell, but he also topped out the Fundies’ Picks in our 2020 Outlook Series.
So with just a couple of episodes of The Rules of Investing remaining for 2021, I thought it was about time we got Ben on the show to understand what makes him tick.
In this episode, we learn about his approach to investing in quality growth stocks, he shares his views on the Afterpay/Square merger, plus we discuss several Aussie stocks that he thinks have outstanding opportunities for growth.

Friday Oct 29, 2021
The biggest opportunity since the internet
Friday Oct 29, 2021
Friday Oct 29, 2021
Guest: Nick Griffin, Chief Investment Officer, Munro Partners.
The internet changed the lives of every person reading this article (and everyone who isn't for that matter) and the fortunes of almost every business in the world. Today, all the largest companies in the world are internet businesses. The biggest media company is Facebook (or shall we call it Meta?), the biggest advertising company is Google, and the biggest retailer is Amazon. 25 years ago, these companies either didn’t exist, or were mostly unknown.
It might seem like the internet was a once-in-a-lifetime paradigm shift. And while it was indeed a true paradigm shift, it may not be once-in-a-lifetime.
According to Nick Griffin, Chief Investment Officer at Munro Partners, there’s another paradigm shift staring us all in the face: decarbonisation. And just like the internet changed our lives and our businesses, so will decarbonisation.
In this episode of The Rules of Investing podcast, he explains the size and scope of the opportunity, and shares one decarbonisation-exposed company that he believes is materially mispriced. We also learn how to avoid selling your growth stocks too early, and why he sold all the firm's positions in Chinese stocks such as Tencent and Ali Baba.
Full transcript provided here.

Saturday Oct 16, 2021
Uranium Special - The fundies‘ view (part 3)
Saturday Oct 16, 2021
Saturday Oct 16, 2021
In the final part of this mini-series, I speak to Guy Keller, Portfolio Manager of the Tribeca Nuclear Opportunities Fund. Guy has over 20 years of experience as a commodities analyst and trading, having been Head of Asia Base Metal Trading for Macquarie Group before joining Tribeca in 2017. As the name implies, the Nuclear Opportunities Fund is focused solely on investing in companies involved in the nuclear energy industry, with a particular focus on uranium.
In this podcast, we discuss why it's taken this long for uranium prices to improve, the difficulties with bringing planned additional supply online, and he shares his top pick for the sector.
Disclosure: The host/author is a shareholder in several of the companies discussed in this episode.

Saturday Oct 16, 2021
Uranium Special - Where are we going? (part 2)
Saturday Oct 16, 2021
Saturday Oct 16, 2021
In the second part of this special miniseries, I speak to Leigh Curyer, CEO of NexGen Energy. NexGen Energy is currently developing the Arrow deposit, located in the Athabasca Basin in Saskatchewan in northern Canada. Arrow is one of the largest, highest grade undeveloped uranium resources in the world. NexGen has been listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange for several years, but recently gained another listing on the ASX under ticker code NXG.
In this podcast, we discuss potential future increases in demand for uranium, why NexGen sought an ASX listing, and he provides some valuable insights into the Rook I project and the Arrow deposit.

Saturday Oct 16, 2021
Uranium Special - How did we get here? (part 1)
Saturday Oct 16, 2021
Saturday Oct 16, 2021
In the first part of this special miniseries, I talk to Brandon Munro, CEO of Bannerman Energy and co-Chair of the World Nuclear Association's Nuclear Fuel Demand Working Group. Bannerman is a greenfield developer listed on the ASX under the ticker code BMN. Bannerman are currently completing a Definitive Feasability Study on their Etango-8 project, a scaled-back version of their original Etango project.
In this podcast, we discuss the background for the current bull market, how Sprott Asset Management have changed the market with their Physical Uranium Trust, and he gives us some insights into the Etango-8 project.
Disclosure: The host/author owns shares in Bannerman Resources.

Friday Oct 08, 2021
The complete guide to LICs
Friday Oct 08, 2021
Friday Oct 08, 2021
'Buying a dollar for 80 cents' is an old investing cliche that's rarely taken literally these days. In a bygone era, 'net-nets' - stocks trading below the value of their net tangible assets - were a relatively common occurrence. Some investors built their whole portfolios (or careers) around them. But finding them today is easier said than done.
When dealing with listed investment companies and listed investment trusts (LICs) though, buying a dollar for 80 cents is commonplace. In fact, according to Daryl Wilson from Affluence Funds Management, buying at a discount should be central to the strategy.
Not only is it possible to pick up assets at a discount, but "the quality of managers is tremendous," says Daryl.
In this episode of The Rules of Investing podcast, we take a deep dive into the world of LICs. We cover the basics and some common jargon, how to pick a great LIC and some common pitfalls to avoid, and Daryl shares some of his favourite LICs in the market today.
Visit Livewire Markets here for a full transcript of the interview.